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  Brother vs Sister Committee Mtg

  by ItsJustMe in

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  am i reading the elders manual correctly?

  a husband is expected to be involved in his wife's committmee meeting but there is no mention of a wife being involved in the husband's.

  is this what our experiences were like?

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  Missie Eff

  Don't start me on issues of male domination.

  I know that this may be straying from the topic a little but..according to the Society:

  Apparently, men are superior to women because they have a penis and because they have brains and women don't. That leads me to wonder where these men are keeping their brains. Explains a lot really...

  Please understand, male freinds of this forum that I am merely expressing the views of the Society as I see them. I realise that I am not expressing the attitude of human males in general!! (please don't hate me!).
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  Having Children Inside vs Outside The Organizatio

  by Ranchette in

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  i feel cheated because i wouldnt know what its like to experience pregnancy and the birth of my children the way it was meant to be.. a completely natural and joyous event in human life was sabotaged by this religion!.

  im sure there are others who know what i mean.. i would be interested to hear stories of others who have had children both inside and out of this organization.. i would like to explain what i mean.. i was raised as a witness and was always expected to be an example.

  from as far back as i can remember we were taught that armageddon was just around the corner.

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  Missie Eff

  I'm so sorry, Ranchette that your experience of childbirth and motherhood were ruined by these people. What right do they have to do this (a question I have asked myself many times).
  I was raised as a JW and there is no way that my son will be put under the same pressures and robbed of the same joys of childhood that I had taken from me.
  As it happened, my husband left shortly before my son was born. He is a very active and intelligent boy and there is no way that I would be able to take him to three meetings a week on my own. That would be madness!
  My pregnancy could have been totally ruined by the fact that my marriage was on the rocks, I went through a Judicial Committee and was disfellowshipped and like a mad woman I went back to the Kingdom Hall and sat like an outcast at the back for a few weeks. But it wasn't. I enjoyed every moment and love my son dearly.
  It will be better next time around, believe me...
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  Mining the CD for Gold...Read this!

  by slipnslidemaster in

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  note this gem from the 1999 january kingdom ministry:.

  make good use of older books.

  1 man has stored away millions of old books in libraries in every corner of the earth.

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  Missie Eff

  Personally, I've found these older publications very good for propping up my telly...
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  Brother vs Sister Committee Mtg

  by ItsJustMe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  am i reading the elders manual correctly?

  a husband is expected to be involved in his wife's committmee meeting but there is no mention of a wife being involved in the husband's.

  is this what our experiences were like?

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  Missie Eff

  Yup ItsJustMe same expereince!

  I was not able to sit in on my husband's Judicial Committee but he was able to sit in on mine. I did have a problem with this.

  But, I had more of a problem with the fact that I had been dragged in there little over 3 months pregnant. These men (two of whom are virgins, let alone "family" men) expected to be able to judge my frame of mind to accertain whether or not I was repentant. My hormones and emotions, as you can imagine, were all over the place!

  Add to that - the fact that my husband at the time was drinking, smoking, going to night clubs - and had been counselled several times on this. I hadn't. I behaved myself and stayed in. And yet, I was tarred with the same brush. His behaviour indicated to them that he wasn't repentant and so they chucked me out too for good measure.

  Bloody glad they did really. My son won't grow up as brain dead as I did!

  Elders don't like women with brains, especially if they are connected to the mouth. Don't you agree?
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  Demons & Invisible Forces

  by Celtic in

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  did any of you have disproportionate fears of demons, and if you are able to, what was your experience in your emotions with these strong fears?

  how did knowledge at such a young age affect you with the detailed graphic descriptions given my the published litureture?

  were there any publications which freaked you in any way?

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  Missie Eff

  Thank you for raising this topic, Celtic, however difficult it may be for others to approach.

  F****d up by tales of demons and evil forces? Too right!

  One of my most vivid fears was instilled by tales I had heard of sisters being pinned down and raped by spirits. It scared the life out of me! I am sure that there must have been other sisters (and brothers!) who had heard the same tales and who were plagued by the same fears.

  I remember one night, I related these fears to my husband (we were only just married). I went to sleep, safe in the knowledge that he was beside me but he stayed awake all night.

  I am still afraid of being alone in the house at night...

  I have a son. I will be careful not to instill such unecessary fears in him.
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  From a Jw to an Elk within a year.

  by rekless in

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  i daed myself then was dfed then was sponcered into the elks lodge.. i now pledge alegence to my country again pray for our leaders and help the poor and misfortunate of the city i live in which is las vegas , nevada, usa.. it feels good to ask some one how are you doing without having an alternative motive of placing literature.. i also joined the chamber of commerce for networking and community service.. we just went to our first breakfast at the elks lodge...guest what they were so friendly and put the jws to shame.

  there were not any chiques (clicks) or hypocracy.

  i didn't hear any bad mouthing of any members.

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  Missie Eff

  I live in the UK.

  I left the JWs and joined the National Trust within the month. Does that count?
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  Positive Name For ExJWs...?

  by ISP in

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  i don't like the word apostate.......because it simply is not the case in so many cases.

  i think the term 'truthseeker' would be better and quite annoying to jws who think they are!.

  come on you truthseekers!.

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  Missie Eff

  I can go along with the thoughts of Simon and Celtic above. I have spent my entire life being compartmentalized - you had to tell everyone at school and then at work that you were a JW just so that they knew what you stood for and so that your behaviour would "reflect well on the Organisation" (ie. you wouldn't get up to anything naughty!).

  I like to think of myself now as an individual with a unique background and understanding of life. I am a member of many social groups: family, college, local community, world community and a support network such as this but I am also enjoying the freedom of no longer having a label.

  Going from being compartmentalized as a Jehovah's Witness to being put into the Ex-Jehovah's Witness catagory is to leave one box only to be put in another.

  I like the sentiment behind your suggestion but here's to freeeeeeeeedom!
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  Society lifts ban on Spiritual Fornication

  by LovesDubs in

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  .....so they can do it and nobody else can...check this post from the newsgroups that i responded to:.

  subject: re: watchtower official response to un scandal.

  from: [email protected] (lovesmenot).

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  Missie Eff

  Funnily enough, my Mother voiced the very same idea to me this week. There are obviously a few other people coming to exactly the same conclusion independantly.

  Oh dear, there may be trouble ahead...
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  Child abuse - Jehovah, Jesus, HS, and GB

  by Norm in

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  there is one aspect that seems to be missing totally from the subject of child abuse.. the watchtower has up through the years told us time and time again how those 4, jehovah, jesus, holy spirit and the gb has appointed elders as gifts to the congregations of jehovah's witnesses.. back in the fifties, the watchtower society was very honest and open about who really appointed the watchtower elders:.

  *** jv 54 5 proclaiming the lord's return (1870-1914) ***.

  back then, it was customary for the congregations to vote each year for those who would preside among them.

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  Missie Eff

  Very thought provoking.

  Something related that always puzzled me: when members of other churches have divine inspirations or messages from above, we were told that the only source for these must be from the evil spirit world as the Holy Spirit stopped talking to prophets a long time ago.

  So where do the Society's divine inspriations come from? No one has ever really given me an answer. I was told that I was not to ask questions like this.

  If there really is a doubt, this would therefore add another dimension to your argument.
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  What Path To Understanding?

  by Undecided in

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  i have been looking for answers to life and death as has many of you.

  i was wondering what is the best avenue to take.

  do you just rely on intelligence, experience, some holy book, what others tell you, some miraculous heavenly voice, a dream, or are we up a creek without a paddle?.

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  Missie Eff

  Hi, Undecided.

  I was very interested to read your comments as I guess that I too am at that point at the moment. Being born into the JW faith and raised in it, I left when I was 24. Three years later and I am still very confused.

  I'm not that sure anymore whether or not there is an absolute route to truth. I am convinced that there is a God as I have a young son and the experience of pregnancy, birth and motherhood cannot be explained any other way.

  But, I don't know whether I can trust an interpretation of an interpretation of an interpretation etc. of the bible. Even if I could talk to the men who wrote it, how could I be sure that they were able to communicate effectively what they saw in their minds. Language, by its very human nature, can be falible.

  So, I'm going to keep on praying for now. I hope that the Almighty will approach me at some point. I feel reluctanct to trust other people at the moment, but something may happen to change my mind. You never know.

  Good luck. Let us know how you get on.